https://www.thehandbasket.co/p/trump-fentanyl-weapon-of-mass-destruction-executive-order-draft-scoop
Well this is absolutely frightening in so much that Trump is going to force his way into Canada via military operations by claiming fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.
Anyone remember the Bush Administration and WMDs they said were there but never were?
Elbows up Canuck’s. The time to prepare is most likely closer than we think.
This is so he can get wartime and “emergency powers” to stop the midterm elections
Can’t wait to be jailed for being an enemy of the state for fucking anything
If that time comes, remove as many as you can and don’t be a prisoner
I don’t want to be a prisoner but let’s be honest they already know what I have typed. It’s already been green lit to spy on queer folx for being queer.
That’s why you need to get a bottle of fash away and make sure they orally take the product for best results. Emergency use only.
To avoid getting banned, I’m not going to spell it out but you can read between the lines.
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Soooo can we declare Purdue Pharmaceutical and the Sackler family terrorists organization under that rhetoric? Asking for a friendly nation.
Nope only applies to illicit fentanyl. Same reason coca cola is the nation’s only legal supplier of cocaine.
Good thing we can chemically test for traces that let us know the manufacturer and often lot.
For a guy who said he wasn’t gonna go to war, he sure as fuck sounds like a guy getting ready to go to war.
Since the major sources of fentanyl brought into the USA are from Mexico and South America, and originate in China I get the feeling he will either invade the south or just use this as an excuse to grab more power without actually mobilizing. He sure as fuck doesn’t have the balls to deal with daddy China, he praises the shit of out Xi.
I just hope the economy finally crashes before he gets the chance.
Wasn’t there a bust of like 1000 lbs of fentanyl crossing the border from the US into Canada recently?
I believe there was, but Donny dumbass doesn’t care about that.
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Sucks their “shithole country” (Trump’s rhetoric, just borrowing it) allows such dangerous weapons of mass destruction to cross the border of a peace keeping nation. Maybe they need NATO sanctions?
Here comes the “special military operation”, but it’s not a declaration of war so he doesn’t need congressional approval.
Actually thanks to the 2001 AUMF he doesn’t need Congress as long as it’s part of the (still ongoing, never officially ended) “war on terror”. Which, presumably, would include stopping WMDs.
If you want peace, prepare for war.
I’m not being facetious and I’m not joking, and I don’t think he is either.
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Should have acquired nukes. This is the message.
CANDU !
suitcase nukes pretty easy to access for nations that have different friends than US.
They weren’t real and still aren’t. You can make a nuke small enough to fit in, say, a shell (and the US did), but the minimum critical mass is still way too heavy to carry around. That’s just physics. Uranium and plutonium are both significantly denser than lead.
It’s kind of wild you think any nuclear weapon would be “easy to access”.
The minimum critical mass of plutonium is around 20 pounds which is not unreasonable and being denser than lead is actually good since it allows it to be very compact
IIRC you have to factor in the explosive lenses and various neutron reflectors as well, and to get all the way to the theoretical minimum you basically need literal tons of that other stuff. Backpack/wheeled luggage/shell weight is what’s public, and seems about like about as good as you can get in practice.
There’s exotic choices of fission fuel with a smaller critical mass, but they’re also aggressively radioactive and tend to really really difficult to produce, to the point of impracticality.
Honestly briefcaseness wasn’t the main problem with OP, but it was worth commenting on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuclear_device
both US and Russia had programs started in 1950s. Official denials aside, there is evidence they were made. At any rate, car sized, or truck sized nukes are both easier, and higher yield.
Access from nation states cooperating with your nation state “can be made easy”. US has made everyone angry, and won’t know who hit them. A single nuclear detonation in US would collapse its government, currency and economy due to already being up against sustainable debt limit.
You could put a Davy Crockett in conspicuously beefy wheeled luggage, it’s true. Or a backpack worn by a muscly special forces dude, like in the picture. I feel like people picture a skinny briefcase when you say “suitcase nuke”, though.
Access from nation states cooperating with your nation state “can be made easy”. US has made everyone angry, and won’t know who hit them. A single nuclear detonation in US would collapse its government, currency and economy due to already being up against sustainable debt limit.
Who are we thinking of, North Korea? Russia likes the new guy in America, and China likes stability. India and Pakistan have no dog in this fight, and everyone else was a steadfast ally just months ago.
First off, that’s the sort of thing that will take more than a lunch to arrange. Second, the level or recklessness here is crazy, and killing thousands of civilians with a first strike would make us the bad guy. Third, debt load won’t mean very much if they have the kind of political will that would produce.
I guess I should point out we’d have no trouble making our own nuke if we really needed it, too. There’s hundreds of tons of plutonium mixed in the spent fuel we have in storage right now, and we have lots of people who can design the thing.
Russia likes the new guy in America
US empire hatred of Russia is not changed. Russia can meet its objectives in Ukraine without Trump speeding it up, in exchange for not defending Iran for Israel’s benefit, or getting free nuclear power stations it controls. China is already on a delete America program. US isolating itself into being useless to the world, makes resetting it and all of the fools who support its debt, a path for a new global marshall plan led by China. North Korea is the one who can help the cheapest. Again, car or container sized works too.
Canada is increasing divisiveness with US enemies list. Bold strategy, Cotton.
Third, debt load won’t mean very much if they have the kind of political will that would produce.
The US is a bank masquerading as a country. Bond vigilantes are real, and crediblity for more debt weak.
killing thousands of civilians with a first strike would make us the bad guy.
Permean or other oil basins would kill little while destroying US energy sector. Question is whether it is true that “we will never become 51st state”. Maybe that means we accept the total economic destruction of our country, and all demaning subjugation short of accepting territorial rule. Instead it could mean that all defense of our sovereignty is pursued, instead of gaslighting temporary resistance like Chuck Schumer.
Permean or other oil basins would kill little while destroying US energy sector.
That’s way too big for a single nuke. It’s a geological layer. Even multiples wouldn’t do it. Maybe we could just sink the country while we’re at it. /s
The US is a bank masquerading as a country. Bond vigilantes are real, and crediblity for more debt weak.
Banks don’t have an army or the ability to tax you. Also, the US is still way behind Japan, for example.
About time the USA started treating domestic terrorism appropriately…
…oh
Serious question, should I get a gun?
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Yeah, probably. There’s lots of good options, but it’s hard to go wrong with a 12-gauge shotgun.
Edit: and as someone else said, prepare for levee en masse. Get started now, grow a garden if you have space, start guerilla gardening if you don’t, teach yourself to forage, can, and fix shit like tears in clothing. For food crops: beans. Beans beans beans beans beans. And potatoes. You’ll hate life, but you’ll be alive to hate it.
The statistics are overwhelmingly clear; the most likely person to be killed by a gun is its owner.
So you’re saying yes?
Yah show me those statistics cause I highly doubt that.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2014/01/111286/access-guns-increases-risk-suicide-homicide
https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/
It makes sense, more proximity to a weapon is more potentially deadly encounters. An intruder very rarely enters your house, but you pass the gun safe in your closet every day.
Yeah, but those statistics weren’t taken in a country that is being invaded or going through a civil war
Wait who’s worried about a Canadian civil war?
Nobody. Canadians are worried about a good old fascist… I mean fashioned war war.
I don’t think anybody is. A second civil war in America, seems eminent if they don’t invade Canada first
True, and I’d agree on the civil war point.
If you’re prepping for an invasion your best bet would be supporting wartime mobilizations instead of personal defense. Bootstrapping a total war economy is no joke.
Your government can probably handle the logistics of recruiting/arming/training people better than local defense cells. However, even if you’re not enlisted they’ll still need people to work the factories, drive the trucks, sell war bonds, etc…
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What are you talking about, history is over. /s
The only resistance that could stand a chance against the US army would be organized by the Canadian government, in which case they’d provide you with the weapon.
I suspect there will be a sharp divide of the military if they were ordered to deploy within the US. And with that, probably some military hardware.
There will be insurgent forces throughout all 50 states. And probably disconnected. It will be like hydra. A lack of organization across the entire country could be a benefit as the military would have so many groups to deal with.
Depends on the nature of the conflict, Unless the US is willing to completely level most of Canada and much of its own northern states you’ve pretty much got Afghanistan 2.0 only now the the villagers the terrorists blend into are US citizens.
Yes
No, fentanyl might be more effective at mass destruction. /s (obviously)
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Fentanyl is the preferred opiate in hospitals. Cheaper per dose. US used to be able to “influence” Afghanistan to help its drug trade profits. Fentanyl is cheap because it doesn’t need controlled plants in addition to potency.
Hard to get an exact number for hospital theft amount of fentanyl, but
3,600 cases of alleged drug theft at healthcare facilities over the last five years, including 280 cases so far in 2020.
111,000 instances here where the folks that were reviewing [drug inventories] could not figure out why the math didn’t add up,"
What is almost certain is that US healthcare system is a larger source of illegal fentanyl than Canada. If the absurdity that it is a WMD is taken, there should be military security around hospitals before it’s placed at the borders.
The death potential of the vial of Anthrax Colin Powell quoted to UN was based on using an eye dropper to kill individuals one by one. WMDs actually require mass deaths from one event as a definition.
Canada needs to immediately stop military cooperation with US. Kick them out of NORAD unless they pay high rent. Stop threatening US enemies, and accepting them as our own.
yep, when my wife was giving birth, they gave her Fentanyl.
Guess all hopsitals are terrorists.
I had fent for abdominal surgery.
I got it for a wrist reconstruction, the nurse said ill give you some fentayll now and I asked isn’t that the drug that’s killing everyone?
Her answer before I was off with the fairies.
“Yeah but you won’t know if you die”
There’s heaps of stuff in hospitals that’ll kill you. I was given oxycontin for an abscess turned septic. Within an hour of it wearing off I was jonesing for another and I’ve never abused opiates recreationally. I’ve even taken a bunch of opium in Laos years ago and found it very easy to stop when I left. The oxy made me immediately want more. The fent I never felt going in and I didn’t want more once I was awake again.
Oh for fuck sakes.
Hmm fenyntal as a weapon wasn’t on my list of war crimes to add to the Geneva checklist but we can throw it to the boys to figure out how to make it work and be novel enough to add a section or two to the next version
It was on mine. Open up the drug trade. Work with the Mexican gangs. Flood more than just fentanyl and create a massive drug crisis. Much bigger than the one that exists now. Hard to fight both at the same time and affects your ability to field an army.
I mean all i had on my mind was poisoning a water supply with the stuff but I think that’s already on the list somewhere. Other idea was all pows would be turned into drug addicts using it but I assume that’s on the list already
Either way like I said we can kick the idea around the room for better ideas
In the read out from the PCC meeting on Friday, it says the participating agencies “recognize the need for the United States to take strong action to counter this devastating situation, but these bureaus share significant policy concerns with the Executive Order as drafted.”
Those concerns include the fact that the EO “cites a statute that does not entail an authority to ‘designate’ substances as WMD,” concerns about “negative effects on entities that legitimately handle, ship, and deliver opioids for pharmaceutical purposes,” and acknowledges that “fentanyl can be treated as a chemical weapon when it is developed or used as a weapon…which risks muddying clearly defined roles and responsibilities between the counternarcotics, counterproliferation, and arms control communities.”
Trump has blown by just blurring the lines since he was sworn in. He’s wiping them out completely.
I agree that this is just so he has reason to continue his attacks, I am guessing it will be aimed at Mexico but Canada needs to be ready.
He’s so far outside the box predictions don’t work anymore. But food for thought; Americans associate drugs with Mexico far more than any other country. So this would be one hell of a head whip for the general public. Americans also still consider Canada one of our closest friends on the global stage. Many families in the North span the border. For that fact alone there’s a very good chance that if he attacks Canada we’d shut this country down with protests and strikes.
On a rational predictable level he’s already declared cartels to be terrorists and Venezuela to be a terrorist state. This is very likely another tool to pressure the Mexican government.
That said, I wouldn’t trust us right now. We’re like that friend who took too much cocaine and is hiding in the closet with a gun. Unpredictable and dangerous.
Speaking for myself, someone with family and friends in the US, I don’t trust you one bit right now - your current government is an enemy to Canada, period.
Yeah, I’m not really sure Americans would shut down their country at this point. For one thing, they seem incapable of protesting. More importantly though, Republicans seem fully sold on an invasion and even some Democrats seem rather excited to use us to “move their politics left” (as if we’d get the right to vote)
Your optimism as to how the American people would react is cute, but likely not realistic. There’s a huge chunk of Americans who voted for this, there’s another huge chunk that didn’t care to even bother voting. The thought that someone who couldn’t be arsed to spend an hour popping in to vote, would get organized and take up arms – especially on behalf of other people / principles / morals – is a bit of a stretch.
Here’s the thing. The way the American highway system works is it goes from city to city. And millions of people in the northern cities voted against him. We don’t need to shut down the roads in the rural red areas. His Canadian state idea also wasn’t a part of his campaign and many Americans still think it’s nothing more than him being his normal blathering self. So we aren’t seeing true opposition get captured in polling yet.
I agree that he’s dangerous. And I don’t know what we could do to stop him but I am absolutely sure the military would suffer high rates of desertion compared to orders to invade Panama, Mexico, or Venezuela. I am also sure that Congress would not use the war powers act to stop him in any invasion, nor would he listen to them if they did. So whatever has to happen is up to the people, and there are at least 80 million pissed off Americans right now. You’re right that I can’t guarantee anything on their behalf. I can only offer an inside perspective and my apologies.
