by the way the fridge cost 1800$
Fridge with ads should be 1/3 the price with free repairs
Aggressively American
“Feed me!”
Imagine that. You not only paid for the refrigerator, but also the electricity and the internet access. And it uses all of that stuff to display ads to you. You’re literally paying for every ad it shows you.
That’s exactly the thing that turned me off cable. I’m not interested in paying for a service that’s going to pipe ads into my home. OTA TV, fine, I’m not paying for that. When I can pay for services that don’t show me ads, why would I pay for one that does?
When I can pay for services that don’t show me ads, why would I pay for one that does?
Don’t worry, they are gradually taking that option away too.
Then the answer becomes to get those things without paying someone to show you ads.
When the illegal choice becomes the objective best experience, you’re just a savvy consumer.
I arrgree
Joke’s on you: product placement in movies. The ads are already there.
Jokes on them, I don’t recognize half the car emblems they flash at me.
Yeah, but you end up paying extra to not see ads, so… it’s the same thing either way.
So? If I’m paying for a thing, I’ll sooner pay for a thing that doesn’t have ads than one that does.
When that fails, there’s always the high seas.
You wouldn’t download a fridge, would you?
I absolutely would! That’s pretty kickass
True enough!
If you paid me just 5 bucks a month I’d let them install that fridge in my house.
Yeah, I might accept that.
Actually, I could use a new fridge…
Ok, who wants to pay me a subscription fee to give me a fridge? Get in line, I’ll only be accepting applicants today!
You not only paid for the refrigerator, but also the electricity and the internet access.
That’s a good point actually. You can eliminate these ads by taking it off the Wi-Fi.
Why you’d connect it to the internet in the first place is a mystery to me
I have my washer and dryer connected to the internet. I set up an automation that flashes the lights upstairs when a load is done, and turns on the laundry room lights. I suspect there are some fun automation opportunities with this fridge, too. But my washer and dryer don’t have giant touch screens or ads. I’d never buy this fridge.
You don’t have to have a smart washer and dryer to do this. If you get a smart outlet that monitors power usage, you can have it notify you when the usage dips. That’s how I do it.
Are there smart outlets that can handle 240v?
Yes but they’re very expensive. But if you just want to monitor you can use something like: this
I mean, yeah. I’m with you 100%
Now who’s the patsie
That thing would already have a broken cracked screen if that was mine and it started displaying ads.
What a fucking dystopia
You probably wouldn’t make the initial mistake of buying a fridge with a fixed tablet
I still haven’t understood why people bought those. What it does a screen in my fucking fridge do any good for me?
What it does a screen in my fucking fridge do any good for me?
What else are you going to play Doom on?
Fair point
Literally any other electronic device?
On my calculator.
I hear people type grocery lists or that kind of stuff into them imstead of having a magnet whiteboard.
No idea, I would never buy one with a screen. An icemaker and water dispenser is as fancy as I am willing to go.
The icemaker and water dispenser are always the first things to break too. Fuck all that shit, just give me a box that stays cold with a light that works.
Ice trays last 20+ years. And you can fill them with flavored water or yogurt.
I get that, but it is so damn convenient to just put a cup in the dispenser and have the fridge put ice in it.
No way. Ice cube trays start to crack after a year or two.
Maybe thise are the thin ones. I have thicker ones
Mmmm microplastics 🤤
You know ice cube trays are usually rubber right?
My wife picked an LG as our last fridge and the first thing to go was the compressor and the second thing to go was the compressor again. The water dispenser and icemaker held up fine :)
The water stuff is certainly the most likely to go, but I’ve had pretty good luck so far.
They’re actually super easy to fix. Generally it’s just the solenoid needs to be swapped out. You can buy them cheap on Amazon for most fridges and install takes like 10 minutes.
I stay away from the OEM ones. While they do last longer, it’s cheaper to replace it every 3 years or so for like $30 than it is to pay for the OEM one.
An icemaker and water dispenser is as fancy as I am willing to go.
And even that’s a stretch!
That’s what I have a phone for.
But yeah, probably. And knowing Samsung, you would probably need a Samsung phone for the app sync.
My fridge has an ice maker. I fill the little trays with water and put them in the freezer and they turn into ice. Works great.
Real, we have notes on our phone off we’re in a pinch but we usually use a physical note book
Some have cameras on the inside that let you view the contents without opening it. Some have AI that use the cameras to track your food stock. I doubt either of these things justify the amount of resources they consume to accomplish this pointless bullshit.
AI: that’s a duck!
No, it’s a rotting cabbage. I should have gotten the dumb fridge.
that’s just going to lead to grocery store ads: hey there, low on milk? i can tell… get 5¢ off
Built in closed source Grocy, I assume?
Now you know to think twice before buying Samsung anything
Samsung recently released UI 8 for Android, which had the astounding forward-thinking and innovative move of removing the ability to silence your phone by hitting the volume down button
idk what phone I’m gonna buy next, but that’s the last straw with Samsung for me. I’m already sick of them changing features on the phone to make them worse, like how in order to do a partial screenshot (a feature I used to use a lot) you now need to click the button and wait a few seconds for the “AI” to think about what portion of the screen to select. you cannot skip this waiting period. you cannot disable this (that I have found). you cannot ‘undo’ when you draw a box around a section that includes text and it tries to helpfully extract the text for you instead of just fucking taking a screenshot of the highlighted portion of the screen
fuck Samsung
a guy at work said graphene has been going pretty good
I like my Motorola it’s on the cheaper side but it has an AUX and a disturbingly good battery. Still android so you have to deal with BS, but hey the slightly better model has an microSD card slot so that’s good I guess.
Oh thank fuck I disabled updates holy hell my phone would be in a billion pieces and my wife would kill me for destroying my phone.
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that doesn’t turn the phone on silent
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yes, they replaced the partial crop with AI select. same method of using it, worse feature
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I’m on a relatively new phone, so it must be because Samsung sucks
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the OCR button doesn’t undo, it just flashes and then reselects the same thing with the text highlighted
maybe mine is buggy. either way, it’s still because Samsung sucks and the feature doesn’t work.
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If you’re that fed up, may as well buy an iPhone and root/flash the thing to a custom OS, or another Samsung, and do the same thing. Those brands have consistently had the best hardware, so if you’re gonna just nuke the software anyway, which is your best option, may as well get the hardware that you want.
No offense but what world are you living in where you can just install custom firmware on iPhones and Samsungs? I’d love to live in that world but those are two of the worst manufacturers for cfw support
I think Huawei is worse
Did they disable jailbreaking and flashing new roms on in the last few years?
yes
Well fuck. Looks like I need to stockpile some Galaxy S10s
Can you even root those brands easily?
Not anymore
I’m not sure that it was ever easy. I haven’t rooted anything newer than a Samsung Galaxy S10, but it was possible then.
Root/flash an iPhone? How?
Jailbreaking is the term for an iPhone, IIRC.
But that’s just semantics, as the end result is the same. Which leads back to my original question: how? Rooting a modern iphone has been all but impossible for quite some time now.
I haven’t done it for a few years. Didn’t know they killed it on newer models
It’s a smart fridge; they didn’t even think once when they bought it
I don’t know there are a lot of features on a smart fridge that are pretty cool a lot of things that actually can come in handy that I really appreciate it when I considered purchasing one. I’m glad that I didn’t make the purchase before they came out with this idiotic bullshit.
A refrigerator has to do two things.
- stay cold
- turn on a light when I open the door
I want my fridge to be as dumb as possible.
I hate embedded smart stuff in devices in general as they always get support dropped way too soon (and often enshittified with updates as demonstrated), but as a concept a fridge that would keep track what’s in it, their expiration dates, and auto-updated a shopping list when something is used up would actually be really handy.
Wanted to make some pasta few nights back but I was out of cheese and the cream had expired, so instant noodles for dinner it was. Again.
I mean, give me some health metrics over ZigBee…
I would prefer the light didn’t come on tbh, too bright and people can see me through the front window looking for snacks in the dark
What are said cool features?
I mean for me it was the fact that it was an embedded tablet the fact that you could trade shopping list and automatically send them to your phones so that way you remembered what to get at the store or while you’re at the store items to be added. Capability for attack actually keep track of when stuff is expiring so that way you knew hey you know what I better go buy this even though it’s not on my list because what’s in here is going to be bad things like that. Also do enjoy watching and looking at recipes online having extra counter space and not having a tablet or having to pull my phone out every 30 seconds while looking at recipes or listening to music or even watching a show while I’m cooking on days like Thanksgiving having the football game playing stuff like that. People that are opposed to advancements in technology are often the ones that hold us back. But luckily there are far fewer people that are actually opposed to it and most of them are concentrated to small forms such as this. we can see based on the amount of sales that the vast majority of people do want the smart fridge new on additional features besides just being able to open and close it and keeping stuff cold or frozen.
i think eventually we’re gonna have to deal with the reality that audio/video advertising needs to be outlawed. keep it in print if necessary.
Why does there still need to be advertisements though?
I’d completely ban marketing altogether. Their only purpose is to hack human brains in order to get them to buy stuff they otherwise wouldn’t. They are the reason we have overconsumption.
Start with the example of the city of São Paulo, the 4th largest city in the world, which banned all outdoor advertising many years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cidade_Limpa
How would you even do that? Marketing is tied up into every single purchasing decision we make. The colors and fonts on the packaging; the perceived value or luxury of the store you’re buying it from; the placement of the products within that store; the price of the product itself. All of these signal things about the perceived value of the product and influence what people purchase.
There are some things I want to know about that may or may not be considered advertising. Stuff like a band I like going on tour, or a video game I’m interested in releasing.
Maybe in your world those could just be like opt-in newsletters.
I think allowing print and physical media would enable using signs outside your building, use branding on your documents, etc. plus make it more valuable for the already dying media of print, and also pretty much make advertising an opt in situation since you can choose to engage in it, rather than having something like the fucking sphere blazed into your retina with the power of 15 suns in the middle of the night.
Banning “marketing” in general is impossible. In order for humans to survive, we need to acquire means of sustenance. With social division of labor, you cannot acquire all the means of sustenance you need by yourself or within your immediate community. As such, a market is necessary to exchange commodities, including means of sustenance and means of production, and the mere act of bringing a commodity to a market is, by definition, marketing.
Banning advertising in general is more possible, but probably a bad idea. Imagine you want to buy bread. How would you go about that? Look for a “bakery” sign? Whoops, that’s advertising, can’t have that. Your best bet then is, like, going into every single open door on the street until you find a bakery, which doesn’t sound good at all.
What we should do is regulate advertising down to its minimum necessary function, which is helping people find what they are already looking for, plus maybe PSA type of ads (e.g. reminding you to get vaccinated and stuff). So yeah, most modern ads should be banned, but some should be kept because there is some actual use in them.
What about QVC tho
It could be moved onto a special “reservation” where it could continue to live in its own way, with its ancient customs and traditions.
So genocide?
Could go either way. We don’t always have to repeat history.
Could we though, just this once, just for old times’ sake?
Aww, go on. Just a teensy bit of genocide, as a treat.
I disagree. I think that’s far too extreme, there shouldn’t be blanket bans because big tech ruins it for everyone, it harms stuff like minor indie creators or small buisnesses, that being said it needs to be HEAVILY regulated, like fridges should never have ads nor any smart appliance
How about… we go a step further and just stop making appliances “smart”?
My toaster doesn’t need AI to tell the difference between a fucking bagel and a slice of bread. They already figured out solutions to this shit decades ago.
Lots of appliances doesn’t need to be smart, I agree, there are plenty borderline where I think there is some benifit, bulbs for example, I think things should be a lot more local, it’s a shame people use cloud solutions instead of home assistant or how much telemetry these smart appliances are allowed to get.
I don’t think a content provider should be allowed to have more than 5-10% of their content be advertisements.
Website screen space, newspapers, tv channels, etc
Instagram shouldn’t have more than 1-2 sponsored post for every 20 posts. At the moment it seems closer to 10.
An hour long TV slot shouldn’t have more than 3-6 minutes of advertisement. At the moment it’s closer to 20-30.
Eh, I would say just ban all paid advertisements like ones you’re describing. Want to advertise your product? Send it over to some state-run hub, which then randomly distributes it to professional reviewers. They then publish their findings, and if your product is good and people are looking for your product category, they will find you.
Get rid of stupid ads where the only reason they are shown to you is because someone is paid to stuff it in your face. Ads should be something you actively seek out, not something being shoved in your face.
Wow. Not even a tasteful design, just turning the fridge into a full fledged highway billboard. Disgusting.
At least it’s static. They could’ve done a constant animation for maximal annoyance while you’re trying to focus on cutting onions.
I’m sure it’s in the pipeline, with sounds. Gonna have our appliances acting like gas pumps do.
Have you used one of those gas pumps with a screen recently? That’s definitely where it’s going.
No, those aren’t a thing where I live thankfully, although that would probably cause me to switch petrol stations if they started doing this (or finally buy an electric car so I can have the ads on a giant screen while I’m driving /s).
The other day I had to wait for the ad video to stop playing before I could press “Yes” to have it print a receipt. I won’t be going back to that location.
gas station near me had those about 5 years or so ago. I’m not sure if they still have them or not, but volume pumped up to a crazy level too.
volume pumped up to a crazy level too.
Yes, and through terrible, tiny speakers.
Please stop buying these & they will stop making them.
This is capitalism, they will stop making the normal fridges and only make these fucking things. The only power customers truly have is through regulation(though we should still boycott things because it still helps).
Then people will claim no one was buying the normal ones. *looks at light trucks and smartphones with a headphone jack*
Or all the automatics in the states, or all the cars that only seem to come in black, white, or silver. Can also look at a lot of food, especially in food deserts, or public transit being gutted when ridership is low(because it was never funded in the first place).
People need to pay literally any kind of attention. I feel like this information, with studies to back it up that also aren’t by conservative think-tanks, is so readily available and yet also there are people who have zero clue about anything, like you’re saying.
In which case a new industry appears that makes smart appliances stupid.
Certain groups will lobby really hard to make it illegal and punishable.
So what? People do illegal shit all the time.
Yeah, true, but it certainly would add a lot of economic pressure on that industry.
Yes, but most people would put up with it instead because they’re afraid of the consequences. As much as they use “hackers” for scaring everyone these corporations likely don’t actually care since they know it’s only a handful of people. They know they just need to be stubborn enough for someone to forget after even only a couple months, or to create a boogie man to discourage them from fighting back.
It’s regulation or we’re fucked. Individuals do not have the necessary power to fight these large industries.
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Appliance repair man here. You can turn the screen off from a cover you remove from the top of the fridge door. Do so. You don’t need a fucking android tablet on your fridge.
Also don’t buy these kinds of appliances. They’re terrible!
Yeah man, I’ll take my 1990’s ass GE fridge I got for free over one of these any day.
It’s a significantly better fridge in every way a lot of my clients have a really hard time understanding or believing that.
But it doesn’t have stainless steel or French doors. I can’t even talk to Alexa on it. It’s just like, a fridge. Who wants that?
Are there any brands that are total shite these days? We are gonna have to replace our crappy Samsung fridge from 2013 soon.
Bosch makes a few descent models.
Things to skip on all brands.
External water & ice dispensers, doesnt matter the brand. You’re cutting a fucking hole in the thermal envelope to put a faulty device that’s experiencing mechanical stress on parts every time you open/close the door. It’s not a matter of if it will fail, but when. Also, increased operational cost. Internal water dispensers and automatic ice makers are always the better option if you want those features.
Smart features. Why the fuck do you need smart features on a fridge? Even if it’s using AI vision to scan for inventory… Just no, fucking no. That’s more personal data on you to be bought, sold, data breached, and utilized to fuck you somehow.
Fridges that split the freezer and fridge on a vertically.
I remember helping my mom buy a fridge and the main thing was we wanted a good ice dispencer that wouldnt break, and the dude was like sorry dude doesnt exist they are all equally shitty, its always going to break, pick any
Fridges that split the freezer and fridge on a vertically.
THIS. they call them french doors. Stay away from this bullshit. You don’t need it.
No, French doors just means two doors that meet in the middle, usually just the fridge (which is up top) has it, and they’re ok usually. Split vertically is called side by side, and they suck, can’t even handle frozen pizza…
I just bought this one a couple months ago. It goes on sale frequently for $2K from Lowe’s: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Frigidaire-Gallery-21-5-cu-ft-4-Door-Counter-depth-French-Door-Refrigerator-with-Ice-Maker-Smudge-proof-Stainless-Steel-ENERGY-STAR/5013313509
Pretty sure we got an RMA for the first unit as the door had a scratch and the compressor fan sounded high pitched. Got a next day replacement and no complaints on the second one. Was concerned about sqft as we were coming from a 25sqft but am surprisingly happy with this one.
If you’re in the states you’ve probably had the ice maker replaced in that fridge.
I wouldn’t expect it to last much longer definitely count on it breaking down at some point in the very near future.
I’ve heard that appliances in general and refrigerators specifically, from the last many years are crap. I don’t know what the cut off date is, but I hear that they’re generally made to break after a few years now and don’t have replacement parts for very long. @mechoman444@lemmy.world may have a more informed answer, but it seems to me that people are better off buying old fridges used from friends or relatives.
I’m of the opinion that manufactures should be required to supply parts for appliances and equipment for a minimum of 10 years.
Completely agree. Not only for appliances but computers and smartphones too, including security updates.
What the fuck do they even do? I thought they were supposed to scan the ingredients in your fridge, then tell you what’s about to expire and what recipes you can make. But apparently they can’t even do that, so what purpose do they serve that I can’t already accomplish by bringing my phone into the kitchen?
Can they at least monitor the temperature across different areas of the fridge, or connect to my power meter like my thermostat can and optimize power usage to be lower when electricity is more expensive? Or are they literally just an Android tablet glued to a fridge?
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Or are they literally just an Android tablet glued to a fridge?
Yes
Kill it with fire.
Disconnect it from the Internet for starters. Why else would a company want to sell you a fridge with a screen?
What can you even do on an un-networked fridge screen? Play bejeweled while contemplating suicide?
Cool screensavers.
A year ago I found out my TV didn’t even have a “Forget this network” button. You had to
- Make a new WiFi network
- Connect it to that
- Turn off new WiFi network
In order to disconnect it. I went down this road because every time I watched a Blu RAY, it would pop-up an ad saying “HERE ARE OTHER WAYS YOU COULD WATCH THIS MOVIE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T NEED!”
Couldnt you just change your wifi password and not tell the TV?
Yes, but I’d have to change my WiFi for every other device in my house
Heh. That’s how i “delete” my credit card info from a service that i don’t want to do business with anymore.
- Generate a virtual card through my financial institution
- Assign that card to handle payment of that subscription via the merchant
- Shut off the card.
Eat shit Disney. I’m never paying you a dime ever again.
Samsung appliances used to be durable.
I had a Samsung washing machine for about two decades. We deciced to replace it with another Samsung, it already has a big crack in the plastic after a year of use and the top is all scratched just by dragging the clothes out.
Speed Queen, my parents bought one in 1992 and it lasted over 20 years with almost no issues. When it finally started needing regular maintenance mom replaced it and got another Speed Queen, ten years later not a single issue yet.
Washing machines from 10 years ago are not comparable to the washing machines now and their build quality. Even the speed Queen ones from then to now are far different
The spindles holding the baskets are raw aluminum, which corrodes with detergent. They are designed to fail in 7 years. For many companies, you can’t buy the replacement part, and Bosch seals the drum so you can not repair at all.
Damn, South Korean industry really going the way of American car manufacturing, huh?
Why does a fridge need a screen to begin with?
To justify the constant upcharges. Touchscreens still feel much more luxurious than they’re actually worth. Car manufacturers do the same to save money.
Could be I’m the minority here, but touchscreens stopped feeling like a value add years ago. Somehow I’ve wrapped back around to a good button or knob being the marker of quality. One of the reasons I chose my current vehicle was because they let the most common controls (climate, radio, etc) stay tactile.
You are far from alone. ACTUAL knobs, buttons, dials, switches, and levers are things I’m hearing more and more people saying they miss.
Yeah, I figured that’s almost assuredly the case on a forum like Lemmy (or Reddit prior to the Exodus) but I don’t know whether it can be extrapolated to the public at large. I’m practically a Luddite compared to many folks around here, but I’m possibly the most advanced computer user among my peers simply because I know a couple Win key shortcuts and I’ve used powershell before (with no comprehension of what I was doing, to be clear).
It seems like most folks are willing to put up with bad UX, whether due to ignorance or apathy.
It’s literally not an extrapolation. Multiple manufacturers are going back to buttons, Volkswagen and Honda being two of the first, now Cadillac is doing rnd for gm with a new row of premium feeling ones. And this is purely because of consumer backlash on touchscreens.
Edit: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/buttons-are-coming-back-to-cars-but-they-will-take-time/ Source link that’s not just my ass
One more but from 2020 https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/honda-goes-back-to-dials-and-buttons-as-customers-grow-weary-of-touchscreens/
