• Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    This definitely breaks canon. In Relics, when Scotty is given guest quarters on the Ent-D he comments that those were better quarters than even admirals got. Yet here it’s showing that Pike’s quarters are far more extravagant than anything else we’ve seen on screen

    • Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      That episode also notes there are only five Federation ships named “Enterprise” up to that point. By the dialog, Scotty asks for “The Enterprise. Show me the Bridge of the Enterprise”, without even specifying the Federation. The computer inferred that part on its own.

      The NX-01 would probably count as a Federation ship after it was founded and Star Fleet was brought under it. There’s also the ring ship model seen in The Motion Picture, though IIRC, there’s no alpha canon source on its details. The unofficial details are that it was an experiment using Vulcan rings instead of nacelles. This was more efficient, but limited top speed, so it was abandoned in future Star Fleet designs.

      So basically, that episode already has a bunch of issues with canon both before and after.

      Roddenberry had a bunch of issues thinking about scale. He probably had the cramped quarters of WW2 ships in mind–even the captain of CV-6 Enterprise didn’t have big quarters–but that’s not how it works for the ships he imagined. The original Connie is huge for the number of people on board. Consider that modern cruise ships have crew+passengers of several thousand people, but have significantly less internal deck space than a Connie would have; even so, there’s places on board that are pretty quiet much of the time. The Enterprise-D sometimes cites 1,050 total people on board, and that should feel almost completely empty outside of specific areas where people tend to congregate.

      In other words, the original easily had enough space for lavish crew accommodations for the senior people. It seems silly that TOS Kirk’s quarters aren’t much bigger than an efficiency apartment.

      • Ginny [they/she]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        But DIS fixes this by showing that almost all of that internal space is taken up by the weird turbo lift dimension, and thus the rest of the ship is fairly busy and cramped. /j

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        Roddenberry always said that he didn’t care about continuity if it was in the way of a good story. He was a revisionist.

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        That episode also notes there are only five Federation ships named “Enterprise”

        That can be trivially explained away as the Enterprise NX-01 being commissioned as an Earth Starfleet ship, not a Federation Starfleet ship. The NX-01 predates the Federation.

        I know you say in your opinion it probably counts as a Federation commissioned ship, but meh, I can also easily see it not counting.

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      What’s burning in that stove, dilithium crystals? And barstools for six but no loveseat or couch or even a bear rug for two? Weird priorities.

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        My opinion is they don’t have antigrav shelves because generally speaking, they don’t need them.

        In TNG for example, we are no longer in an era of battleships, where everything is stowed away and strapped down. We are in a time of warp drive and aritifical gravity and smooth cruising.

        But more importantly, we are largely in a time of peace, where diplomacy is favoured over war.

        You can imagine the quarters of every starship captain might be similarly furnished as Picard’s, with trinkets and little personal items, and that most ships fly around uneventfully on their missions for years, without ever even spilling a cup of tea.

        That Enterprise and Voyager happen to be in a scrape every two minutes is like an in-universe statistical outlier.

        Compare to DS9 where the Defiant is clearly a ship of war, and is furnished like one.

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      8 days ago

      (edited to be less obtrusive)

      That’s every captain.

      Kirk:

      Janeway:

      Freeman:

      Georgiou:

      Picard:

      Picard again, this time with a sexy gaming chair:

      You know who DOESN'T keep unnecessary tchotchkes in his space?

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        My reflexive is-ENT-a-joke-to-you response is tempered by realizing you have also forgotten Sisko and Burnhan in addition to Archer.

        This is some properly calibrated gourmet ragebait 👌

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          lol I didn’t forget them, I just didn’t want to spend more than 5 minutes on this nonsense.

          🏹

          (Also, Archer is a rugged survivalist and his spartan quarters don’t contribute to my argument but don’t tell anyone)