People worship all kinds of concepts that they’ve never seen.
Why won’t you get the vaccine? “Because idk what’s in it.” Why did you get Chinese dick and hair pills? “Because I NEED it!”
“Was your burger tasty?”
The concept of alien is inside our finite comprehension and logic. That is, if Earth is a habitable planet, and it is habituated, then there are possibilities of other habitable planets. If that so, then It’s science’s job to prove the existence of other habituated planets( eventually alien). But, maintaing this vast universe is believed to be done by an Omnipotent being/entity called God, I guess people developed this way of thinking by their conscience and comprehension. So far, science hasn’t been able to explain many cosmic events, why those happen, how they happen etc. But the melody, the harmony that lies in those events, even science sometimes has to say that those kinds of events can only be happen with the presence of an Omnipotent, conscious entity/being. Science and Religion are a total different thing. One is based on fact and the other is based on faith. Both have different psychological wiring on the mind thus people think differently towards these 2 subjects. Just let it as it be and laugh at this meme. Your faith or fact is unharmed. Don’t worry.🤝🫂
“But the melody, the harmony that lies in those events, even science sometimes has to say that those kinds of events can only be happen with the presence of an Omnipotent, conscious entity/being.”
No. Scientists will collectively say “we don’t know” and continue research and asking questions. Modern scientists don’t chalk it up to God. This isn’t the 1600s.
Not knowing something isn’t the fault of science. Science naturally researches, digs up what it doesn’t know and then proposes an answer/explanation. But it doesn’t mean that it allies with the concept of religion. This loop will end up somewhere like: “If you know something, then you don’t have to believe it anymore. Because… Well, you know it now.” This kind of loophole will circulate around people who try to mesh science and religion together. Science “MIGHT” eventually find the answers behind those unexplainable cosmic events. If science find it, then it’ll be science’s success. But religion comes within faith. People believe something they don’t know the answer of, existence of. They live their life by the commands of the books in hope for what is promised to them in afterlife. That’s it. [ What would happen if religious people came to know about God, heaven and hell, afterlife is just the bottom pit of the loophole. If people knew those things, you can’t be 100% sure that all the ‘religious’ people would live their life according to the commands of their religion to get into heaven. Uncertainty exists both in science and in religion. ]
“If people knew those things, you can’t be 100% sure that all the ‘religious’ people would live their life according to the commands of their religion to get into heaven.”
They already don’t 😂
I swear this post is straight from 9gag. It feels like it was made 15 years ago…
mother fuck it’s so fucking deep though fuck
15 years ago it was mostly lolcats and rage comics.
Pretty sure 15 years ago was like…1998
Me too buddy, me too.
Fffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
By that logic they saw a god. But I’d ask if they need a starship first. Then that would confirm if they were a god.
It’s really stupid to not believe in aliens given the size of the universe.
I think we should be looking inter dimensionally for alien life rather than extraterrestrial.
“Earth First” is an interesting and compelling explanation for the Fermi Paradox.
It’s really stupid to believe aliens visited earth given the size of the universe.
What about the American people constantly complaining about aliens illegally entering their country? Explain this!
Fucking Englishmen in New York.
I also agree with this statement, although it’s well within the realm of possibility that life on Earth was seeded by an ancient extraterrestrial civilization. That’s a timescale of a few billion years.
But it’s still not as stupid as thinking that the supreme creator of the infinite universe has a personal interest in how you live your life.
That would make some sense if not for overwhelming proof of evolution of both, animals and nature that started out with pretty much nothing
I like to entertain the idea that something similar to mushroom spores were emitted throughout a part of space and mostly didn’t work but, where it did, life was ready to ride evolution all over again from just the basics. Just fun to think about. I’m not a witch, don’t burn me
Those are 2 completely different statements.
It wasn’t a refutation. It was added information.
Comments should come with this disclaimer. People get so upset when you continue the discussion for no reason.
Sorry I was not 100% sure so I figured I’d respond just in case.
Yeah the idea that aliens exist but haven’t been here yet is basically the plot of the awesome series
I’d believe it when I see evidence. Otherwise it’s just a possibility.
alien doesn’t necessarily mean sapient, humanoid or even anything larger than a walnut. if you took life on earth as a sample of the universe it would be much more likely for an alien lifeform to be a plant or bacteria. and even an animal is more likely to be an insect than a mammal-like animal, much less anything humanoid.
(someone should look into the numbers my source is just vague memory at this point)
People who are interested in aliens and UFOs rarely solely make this argument. Often, they’ve encountered or somehow know of these aliens.
That’s a bit of an oxymorinic argument those people use. If an inteligent species dropped by and had ONE look around, they would NOT turn on their high beams.
If an intelligent species was able to travel the distance to actually reach us that’d mean they are far far far far beyond our technological capacity. It’d be game over if aliens ever reached us.
If aliens haven’t been to earth, how come all the bigots keep bitching about illegal ones? 🤔
Also given the scale of time of the universe. We as humans have only existed for a small amout of time on the vast scale of things.
Countless alien civilizations may have existed and destroyed themselves, and may others may have not come into existence yet.
Revelation Space (#scifi) delves neatly into that.
Ancient alien theorists say yes
Logic in religion? That’s your first mistake there.
Well God is an alien, by definition.
If god is anything, why not crab
He’s supoosedly everywhere, but i don’t think he has any papers, he’s an illegal alien
Deport Jésus (Christ)!
No anti authoritarian rebels allowed here. Probably ms13
That why I don’t believe in Bird
My experience with random processes: on large scales, things either happen 0 times or many times. So I find the idea that life exists in only one place pretty implausible.
Define life
Here I googled it for you
It is defined descriptively by the capacity for homeostasis, organisation, metabolism, growth, adaptation, response to stimuli, and reproduction.
If you’re gonna be on lemmy you should really learn basic definitions or at least learn how to look them up. Then you should go back to your high school and burn it down (without anyone inside) because it completely failed you.
By that definition, the first life on earth was not alive the first 1 billion years or so, until the complex process of reproduction was invented. Heck, life doesn’t even have to be mobile, can be fused to a rock, even more so than moss or a stromatolith. Metabolism and maybe reaction to stimuli are imo the only real requirements.
A lot of Christians will say no to believing in Aliens but because they believe God created humans and gave us the universe.
Or in a similar vain, because aliens aren’t mentioned in the Bible they don’t think they are real.
Does the Bible mention Mario kart
I’m pretty sure rainbow road is in there once or twice
I’m not at all saying this is how I feel.
I was raised a Christian and considered myself one until I reached the age of reason. So I have some insight into how they think.
It’s funny how a lot of kids learn Santa isn’t real but keep believing in God. Maybe because learning God isn’t real is significantly more painful to the soul so they refuse to consider it.
Well I’ve never seen air. Nor oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, the list goes on and on. I’ve never seen Ukraine, but I do believe there is some awful shit going on over there.
We can weigh all of those gases. We can also blow them up. We can also look at emissions spectrums. There’s a lot of ways to test gases. That’s why we know they exist.
As for Ukraine… People have been there. There are pictures and videos. Thousands of years of history.
I’m not sure if you’re joking or not because I’ve seen people with similar arguments.
If you are not sure if I’m joking, I’m giving you permission to assume that in fact I am joking.
Instagram reels have made it impossible for me to tell when people are joking haha. No matter how ridiculous the position, someone on there will have it.
I’m not using (being used by) any meta products at this time.
Yup, I deleted all of mine. Trash company.
If you’ve seen that blue-ness in the sky you’ve seen air.
But you’ve certainly directly interacted with all of them in some form or another.
Yes, I have Ukrainian neighbors.
Maybe god wasn’t capable of creating aliens…
Maybe God created the speed of light to keep players region-locked.
Tower of babel? Being able to communicate with each other? That’s gay. I want to watch them kill each other - God
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God is all powerful, but only up to and limited too creating one sentient life form
I don’t think sentient is the word you’re looking for, as animals have sentience.
It was a little bit on purpose TBH, it leaves some room for though, and broadens the scope or definition of alien life.
We already know organic compounds can survive in space on astroids and comets, and we know these compounds can survive impact with planetary bodies.
What’s to say these same comets have not impacted other planetary bodies in our galaxy, or have traveled between galaxies in our Universe.
Timescales would make it impossible to know if two species on two planetary bodies would evolve at the same time.
Got sidetracked by another project
In my younger years I tried to make sense of the ‘God created humans’ thing by envisioning lots of aliens species with lots of gods, each catering for their own pets. Then I wondered if these gods would compete over who had the best pet, or would go to war with each other.
Unsure if relevant, since this is a meme post, but for anyone interested: faith is quite a complex concept. And this silly atheist vs religious conflict is so pointless. It does nothing but elevate some people’s egos and infuriate others.
Sadly, both sides are heavily uninformed. Most atheists spent at most 3 seconds studying religion, while most religious people never questioned a single thing about their religion. How can you understand somebody and their point of view, if you haven’t even imagined yourself in their shoes, let alone walked in them?
Short story is: to ‘believe’ in God, or any other religious entity, does not mean ‘to think He exists’. In fact, you can ‘believe’ in any god, while being completely convinced they don’t exist. Fact and faith are fully separate.
At least some confusion here is intentionally created by religious institutions, like the Catholic Church. Most of what they do goes against the Bible and Jesus’ teachings, but it’s not like they care. Focusing on Christianity here, because that’s what I studied the most (my country is Christian). Same applies to Judaism and Islam. Other religions less, since these three have the biggest, most organized official structures (massive red flag in case it wasn’t obvious).
Anyway, I invite everyone to read about and learn their so-called enemies’ ways instead of blindly ridiculing them.
Reading the Bible has made me despise Christianity even more. It’s not the content that upsets me, it’s the brash hypocrisy that Christian Nationalists operate by that upsets me. Too many Christians go directly against Christs teachings. It’s not rocket science either. It’s clear, concise teachings to love your neighbor as thyself… And yet they’ll say oh no that’s taken out of context… Fucking ridiculous. Christ would flip so many Christian tables. That might be what the second coming is tbh. Just flipping these flagrant hypocrites tables.
I’d wager most millenial-and-older atheists probably attended mass regularly as kids. Many are probably baptized, confirmed, had communion, etc.
We just realized it’s all bullshit intended for social control at some point along the way.
Same kids who stopped saying the pledge in school as soon as they realized they could.
Zoomer and younger atheists…yeah, they might have not had that experience. Probably because they were brought up by already-atheist (or at least barely-believing, twice-a-year types) gen-x and older millennials.
Completely agree. I had the same experiences as a kid. Organized religious institutions always go against the religions they pretend to preach. Religious belief should be a personal choice, not a mass brain washing.
The Catholic Church requires that Christians indoctrine their children into Christianity since they are born. But this is the Church speaking, not Christianity or Jesus. In fact, the New Testament clearly says that it is perfectly acceptable for the family of a Christian to reject Christianity. The sole fact that they love the part of their family that is Christian, is enough.
But of course, barely any self-proclaimed Christians have ever opened the Bible, let alone read it. And the Church coveniently doesn’t recommend reading it.
Funny you should mention that.
My paternal grandparents were very religious, and my dad attended mass regularly as a kid and went to Catholic school.
However, I don’t think he’s willingly set foot into a church except for funerals since I was born.
My grandmother would drag me to church several times a week though.
Didn’t stop my dad from threatening to baptize my kid behind my back when my first kid was a baby. I think it was said in jest, or maybe to troll me…but my oldest is 8 now and neither of my kids have been around my parents unsupervised. Reap what you sow.
And the Church coveniently doesn’t recommend reading it.
That’s their own fault. Should’ve left it in Latin. Or Aramaic.
First, paragraph breaks. Please use them.
Second, that isn’t how everyone feels. That is how you feel. People do in fact find it utterly hypocritical to see one thing one way and not the other and then claim to have knowledge above anyone else.
Third, aliens are more likely than gods. Mathematically speaking.
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Added paragraph breaks and will try to use them actively.
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As mentioned in another reply, I was referring to the base idea, and not to what people think or feel. Perhaps I failed to convey that effectively.
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Probably true. Hard to say for certain, but as far as I can tell, ‘aliens’ are practically guaranteed to exist, while gods are the opposite.
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Statistically speaking*
This makes no sense. Most people when asked about the literal existence of god say they think so. Americans only fell below 50% very recently…again the literal existence of god (the numbers are similar for the Gallup poll on belief in god). You’re drawing a dichotomy that does not exist.
About half of American adults believe in the actual existence of a spiritual patriarchy and here you are trying to claim belief!=belief in existence. Unless you have something to back it up, I’m calling bs.
What you’re saying is completely true, but in no way contradicts what I said. I was referring to the fundamental idea of faith. I never said people adhere to it, and that nobody actually thinks God, or whatever else, exists.
Obviously, a lot of people do. Just like a lot of people think the Earth is flat or that chocolate milk comes from chocolate cows. A huge number of people are uneducated, have been fed propaganda and manipulated for years. I don’t think anyone needs any convincing that churches lie to and scam people on a daily basis for personal gain. But doesn’t make faith or religion itself a lie.
Similarly, there’s quite a few self improvement gurus who make up false ideas about self improvement and feed lies to their many, many followers. But does that make self improvement itself a lie, or a pointless dream?
“I don’t think anyone needs any convincing that churches lie to and scam people on a daily basis for personal gain.”
And yet televangelists exist. Megachurches exist. Churches have been scamming Christs sheep for millennia all for them to be none the wiser.
So you refer with
Short story is: to ‘believe’ in God, or any other religious entity, does not mean ‘to think He exists’. In fact, you can ‘believe’ in any god, while being completely convinced they don’t exist. Fact and faith are fully separate.
to the church vs. belief thing?
I don’t need to analyze religion to know that 9000 gods on this earth means not a single one of them is right and that single one of them is just a money scam, no further deep thinking needed, magical thinking, fuck that
Deep thinking is never needed. Animals manage their entire lives just fine without it!
Interesting logic or backstory?
